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Post by Sakai Takashi on Mar 5, 2006 22:34:52 GMT -5
Standardized uniforms
As from the initial responses from what was heard at the 5th general meeting, there seams to be some issues that need to be addressed regarding this.
The purpose of a uniform is to make all of the members look the same, and professional. How can we be a professional group when everyone looks different. I use the example of a base ball team. A team that is not all in the same uniform looks shabby, non professional, not organized, and are generally viewed as not being very good. Do we want to give a similar view of our group to outsiders, that we are not professional, and disorganized?
Some conflicts that have come up, is the fact that it may discourage people from taking part in the events if they cant wear what uniform they want. I see this as highly unlikely, and if we do lose members, it will only be an extremely small minority of people that will not show up.
Another conflict that comes up is on what era we should use. This can be easily solved by putting it to a vote. Or just having the admirals pick one.
Any views or comments are much appreciated.
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Post by Talon Lardner on Mar 5, 2006 23:01:25 GMT -5
My biggest concern is that there is such a thing as being TOO uniformed... I'd love it if we set a certain time frame for uniforms but allow a larger variability decoration-wise. I'd also make sure that people are allowed to use uniforms they textured themselves to better fit their rank or to be better tailored to their avitar.
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Post by Sakai Takashi on Mar 5, 2006 23:26:15 GMT -5
im totaly for letting people use uniforms they made them selves for the events, but they should be of the specific era that the group wants.
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Post by Zania Turner on Mar 5, 2006 23:31:29 GMT -5
Personally, I think it depends on who's running the RP event, and the Star Trek era that they wish the event to be set in. For example:
A TOS era RP should require the regular TOS uniforms, based what was on the TV series.
A TOS Movie era RP should require the movie era uniforms, as seen in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn through Star Trek IV: Generations.
A strictly TNG era RP should require only TNG uniforms.
A standard era RP (set in 2379) can be more flexible, allowing the use of TNG, Voyager, or DS9 uniforms.
A futuristic era RP could use completely original uniforms, or ones in the same style as seen in the TNG episode "All Good Things".
If the individual who runs an RP wants to hold to a standard uniform for everyone, I think they should let anyone who wants to participate know about the requirement. But, in the same token, they should have the uniforms that they wish everyone to use available, and provide it to their participants free of charge.
Just my $.02!
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Post by Sakai Takashi on Mar 6, 2006 9:27:19 GMT -5
I suppose if the RPG mission, or what ever it is, takes place in another time era, then we could switch our attire as needed.
With regards to providing uniforms, a lot of items I feel should be given away for free, or at the extremely low price of ‘donation’. Especially if it is required for a mission.
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Post by Shirakawa on Mar 6, 2006 11:22:56 GMT -5
hat you failo to realzie is that ot eveyroen can do that. IT takes time to make the textres right and costs money to upload them, and nto eveyrone is jsut rich enoguh to give the sutff away for free. Sayign all the trek stuff shoudl be free is communisitc jargon that people cannot do.
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Post by Sakai Takashi on Mar 6, 2006 12:44:42 GMT -5
I have seen uniforms from almost every single era (I have yet to see a 29th century uniform). And I had made a uniform myself, because I had yet to notice anyone with it before (25th century uniform). And it only took me 6 uploads to get it right, at a cost of 60L. I have been handing it out at the low price of ‘donation’ and my totals for giving it out to 5 people is 75L (1 person gave 25L, another 50L, 2 people gave nothing, and 1 person I gave in trade). If it takes you 200 uploads to get it correct, so that you need to sell it for 800L, clearly there is something wrong with how you are making your clothing.
You can sell it for what you want. But since I try to embrace the Starfleet ideals of trying to better man-kind (the betterment of the Starfleet groups in SL) rather then the personal acquisition of wealth.
I will make any uniform that we need that does not already exist within SL, and will distribute it at the low price of free or ‘donation’.
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Post by Talon Lardner on Mar 6, 2006 23:57:48 GMT -5
*nods* And any uniform I make will also be donated to any RPer (but only RPers, gotta pay upload fees somehow), and I can do requests from GMs given a good amount of time to know beforehand. Not that I am trying to compete with Sakai, just tossing my name out there as well. I can even do custom uniforms ((I.E. ones tailored for different species, "Worn in" uniforms, decorations for uniforms like Worf's, etc...)) for very minimal cost (less than 100L) or free depending on my mood.
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Post by shirakawa on Mar 7, 2006 3:15:15 GMT -5
bettement of mankind, and starfleet ideals? her'es a newsflash. the federation doesnt exist, and we aren't all communists that cna share our stuff. charging 800 bucks for soemthing is on ehting, but to jsut insists on givng away everything for the betterment of people is lunacy. and it's nto jsut uplaod fees. it takes time to amke textures, tiem that could be spent doing other things. the 10 linden upload fee is nto the onyl cost in a uniform.
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Post by Sakai Takashi on Mar 7, 2006 9:33:40 GMT -5
If you don’t support the ideals that is your choice. You don’t have to help the group, we have a lot of members that follow the star trek ideals, and are not in the star trek group to help them selves. Clearly you are one of those people only out to help yourself.
Hey, news flash, if you are only trying to get money, GO OUT AND GET A JOB! You will make more per hour working at Wal-Mart, or McDonalds then you will ever make in SL.
Talon, your offer to help out making uniforms, is much appreciated. If you can make something better then I can (which wont be to hard to do) I totally up for you, or someone else doing it =P
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Post by Talon Lardner on Mar 7, 2006 11:32:59 GMT -5
It's funny, you know, I agree with both shirakawa and Sakai, it's a shame that they aren't listening to each other... Sakai, shirakawa is very concerned that the cost of RP will skyrocket due to having to make uniforms just for that RP, and that it will restrict the expression of their characters. Shirakawa, Sakai is concerned that without having some sort of rules on uniforms, the RP will loose its immersion, and a group that looks cohesive and organised looks and coexists that much better.
I think a compromise can be made easialy between these two ideals, but can only be done if we relax and concentrate on playing our uniqueness out of RPing instead of our looks.
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Post by Zania Turner on Mar 7, 2006 12:24:28 GMT -5
Uniforms don't have to be specific to an RP unless those, who are running it, wish it to be that way. A full uniform set could be used on other RPs as well, thus creating a much bigger outlet for use.
Also, just because a uniform set is made available to RP participants at no charge, that doesn't mean that they couldn't be put on sale for everyone else. There are clubs out there that will hold sci-fi events, and I'm sure that you will get visitors from time to time who want to buy Trek uniforms for activities like that.
From what I've seen, a vendor could be set up to where it can allow someone to get an item for a reduced amount (or free) if they are wearing a particular group tag, but those who don't wear it would have to pay full price.
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Post by shirakawa on Mar 7, 2006 15:20:55 GMT -5
i have no problem withj a reduced price idea. i jsut have a prolbem with the idea of giving it away for free. I think a big reduced price is a good idea. A?nd I am lsitening. I understand what he benefits might be to a stnadard unfiorm. Butas long as the uniforms are federation unfiorms, I don't see hwo the immersivenss is a problem. IF you want an rp with standar dunfiorms, go ahead, that's your business. With tht, I was simply tryign to war you that you probablky will see some attendance drop as a result of peopel not agreeing with that.
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Post by Nikola Shirakawa on Mar 7, 2006 16:07:49 GMT -5
If you do cdecide to have a standarized unfiorm, it would have to be either those nice 26th century unfirosm you've made, or the colored--shoudler voyager-style uniforms, as those are currently available as freebies. The toehr styles of unfiorm, such as the first contact grey shoudler, the net generation, and the 23rd centuiry uniforms would not be ok as standarized, becuase they are nto free giveaways, and it would not be right to make a fee version jsut for that purpose, as it would kill other business people.
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Post by katrinabixby1 on Mar 11, 2006 1:04:27 GMT -5
I like the idea, of Zania that it depends on who is running the role play. If the person leading role play want the event to be DS9 so be it. However I will caution, That we have no plans of requiring members to purchase anything. Currently we have voyager uniforms free to membership in their new member kits. If we were to have a DS(9 version it would have to be available at the role play requiring it. I personally do not have a DS9 uniform.
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