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Post by Ensign Cyres Aida on Feb 19, 2007 13:49:27 GMT -5
I am disgusted at what I witnessed in the sandbox today. Ensigns and Lieutenant's (jg) were squabbling amongst themselves completely ignoring any respect for rank and position and each person thinking their idea is the one to go for.
THIS IS NOT STARFLEET
This just goes to show how hopless people are without order. The Admirals need to set up a chain of command when it comes to these things. The Engineering department should be at the front of things like this, but its disgusting the way I was spoken to when I tried to point his out. I have IM's both the Admirals about this before posting this and I hope to hear from them soon.
New comers onto the sandbox must have been appalled at what was a plaground attitude towards an incredible important project you should be ashamed of yourselves. You know who you are.
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Post by Ensign Cyres Aida on Feb 19, 2007 19:43:10 GMT -5
OK, thanks to Admiral Cobramax the situation is back under control.
May I remind people that even in these extreme circumstances position and rank still preside, even more so in these circumstances. That's what they are there for.
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Post by kitshoji hauptmann on Feb 20, 2007 19:42:04 GMT -5
galaxy is, like second life, a playground.
You are NOT a real soldier, this is NOT a real army.
with every large group there WILL be polotics and drama as individuals have differing oppinions on situations outside of their control.
you cannot force an individual to silence his oppinions and beliefs on a digital makebelieve world and to think that you can is just childish.
you ARE correct when you say "THIS IS NOT STARFLEET".
It isn't. It's a make believe world on the internet. More people need to realise that and stop thinking RL rules apply.
there is a (sort of) system of "ranks" that show how trusted or skilled an individual is IN THE GAME. a JG has been around longer than an ensign (in some cases jgs have ben around longer than commanders) and that means when they say something that it's probably coming from experience and you should listen. it does NOT mean that the person is God, a Linden, or the ghost in the machine.
- - Lt. (jg) Kitshoji Hauptmann
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Post by Ensign Cyres Aida on Feb 20, 2007 22:27:53 GMT -5
I have to disagree with you. Promotions do not reflect how long someone has been a member of SLQ, I as a fact know someone promoted over a longer serving Ensign, but that isn't my gripe here, its conductance. Despite it being Second Life, it doesn't give people an excuse to belittle people and laugh at them in their face in front of others. They are given that title (rank) through respect and they are representing the group while they wear it. To witness the deplorable actions they were taking I had to take this action.
The fact that the Admirals took control only reinforces that it needed it. So if you think we are not starfleet and we should do as we please, then maybe you should have a word with the Admirals, because they are of the same mind as me.
Official organisation or not, NOTHING gives people the right to be nasty make snide comments and snub people in front of others. and as an SLQ Engineering Administrator I will uphold that perspective as what I expect from everyone on my team.
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Post by Therian Au on Feb 23, 2007 23:45:37 GMT -5
The ranks are an honorary title granted for recognition of the bearer's contributions. While this holds some weight, one's role is what's more important.
Just remember that, regardless of our ranks or roles, we're all human, so let's try and treat each other respectfully as we all deserve to be treated.
Bear in mind this is coming from someone who really is in the military as well. The same factors apply there, regardless of rank.
Happy pretendy fun time, dammit!
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Post by Halogen Plasma on Feb 24, 2007 12:13:14 GMT -5
What do you mean this isn't real?
I am certainly real and I interact through hardware and software that is real.
And my actions are governed by the rules imposed by the "owners" of that hardware, (my ISP, sim owners, etc.). SFASLQ is a real organization made up of real people who agree to abide by the real rules of that organization.
Galaxy is a roleplay sim. When you engage in rp, (which should be any time you are on the sim and/or in uniform), you are to conduct yourself according to the rules. And the rules say you must respect rank, position and authorities placed over you. If you cannot follow those rules, or decide that you do not wish to, then you have an obligation to the rest of us (who do) to leave. That doesn't mean quit SFASLQ, although that too is an option, but to leave the area, situation, sim or whatever to help maintain appearances.
Why is this important? For the same reason that wearing holstered weapons is not allowed. Newcomers who see that the rules are not being followed, or are not enforced, could misconstrue that the rules do not exist or are somehow unimportant. Next follows chaos and soon you have lost any appearance of organization, and your organization loses respect.
I am not saying that one's opinions or beliefs should be censored. But there are proper venues for such expression that permit our organization to at least appear to be a respectable organization.
<Stepping down from soapbox now.>
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Post by Ensign Cyres Aida on Feb 26, 2007 13:52:11 GMT -5
There are many types of species in the Galaxy and also there are many types of Human.
Some are born leaders
Some are born thinkers
Some are born fighters
Some have yet to find their place
The leaders need the thinkers and fighters or they will have nothing to lead, and therefore useless.
The fighters need the leaders and thinkers or they will have no strategy and direction and will fail.
The thinkers need the leaders and the fighters to direct and fight for them.
Those that think they have all three are often very wrong. Many people believe they can lead, that's true. It takes a true leader to lead well though. And the truth is what they have accomplished.
The point is that everyone relies on the others to keep the world moving. Take one of the links out of the chain and you get a collapse of organisation. Remove the leaders and direction goes out the window. The thinkers and the fighters are at odds.
When it comes down to it we need everyone here to make the chain work. Recently the chain showed what it really is worth and I am proud to be a member of SLQ to see the organised spirit that was displayed over the last week. The group activity to put forward ideas for rebuilding our home has been a phenomenal success and 'will' go down in SFCSLQ history. Be proud that you helped to make it what it is.
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Post by Clancy Sullivan on Mar 30, 2007 17:47:36 GMT -5
A public thrashing of individuals, even though they are not specifically named here, is quite dramatic and over-the-top when considering what the alleged crime was.
Was this public report really necessary? I doubt it. If the intention of the OP was to bring a matter of importance to the attention of the Admiralty then I should think that IMs sent to our leaders would have accomplished that. By making this a matter of public debate, however, the concept of chain of command seems ignored but to no good end; at least allow our leaders time to deal with the issue before seeking other remedies to resolve the problem.
Less friction, more fun: that is why people join and support any SL group of our kind. But, when that formula is inverted, they tend to leave and never look back.
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